{"id":488,"date":"2025-02-04T13:57:56","date_gmt":"2025-02-04T18:57:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/?p=488"},"modified":"2025-02-21T21:21:01","modified_gmt":"2025-02-22T02:21:01","slug":"change-the-past-control-the-future-part-2-of-our-response-to-sacs-paper-brahma-gayatre-mantra-in-iskcon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/?p=488","title":{"rendered":"Change the Past \u2014 Control the Future"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">Part 2 of Our Response to SAC\u2019s Paper <br>\u2018Brahma-g\u00e4yatr\u00e9 mantra in ISKCON\u2019<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">By Shyamasundara D\u00e4sa ACBSP, Jyoti\u00f1\u00e9<\/h6>\n\n\n\n<h6 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">Copyright \u00a9 2024<\/h6>\n\n\n\n<p>To download this <a href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/brahma_gayatri_part_2.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">article<\/a> as a PDF click on the link.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To read <a href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/?p=166\">Part 1<\/a> click on the link.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"abstract\">Abstract<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s decision to grant the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> mantra to female disciples remains one of the most discussed topics in ISKCON\u2019s history. Was this a doctrinal shift or a response to a pressing circumstance? This paper examines historical records and firsthand testimonies, demonstrating that Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s decision arose from a moral dilemma\u2014<em>dharma-sa\u1e45ka\u1e6da<\/em>\u2014rather than establishing a groundbreaking precedent. Contrary to the \u015a\u0101stric Advisory Council\u2019s (SAC) claim that the decision was rooted in spiritual benefit for women, the evidence suggests it was a reluctant concession to specific challenges in ISKCON\u2019s early years. The study further critiques SAC\u2019s reliance on selective testimonies and historical reinterpretation, highlighting inconsistencies in its conclusions. By advocating a return to <em>\u015b\u0101stric<\/em> orthodoxy, this paper underscores the need to preserve doctrinal integrity while addressing contemporary challenges. It offers critical insights into ISKCON\u2019s ongoing engagement with tradition, adaptation, and institutional continuity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"executive-summary\">Executive Summary<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>SAC predicates its thesis on the principle that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da gave females <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> because it was beneficial for their spiritual life. We will show that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da gave it for a different reason thus nullifying their thesis. In the early days, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da, to pacify a few irate female disciples who had revolted because of not getting second initiation, started the practice of granting <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> to his female disciples but without the sacred thread, implying they were not genuine <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47as<\/em>. Knowing this history to be fatal to their argument SAC falsified the history of the first second initiation in the USA by \u201cmassaging the data\u201d<a id=\"514219-fnref1\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn1\"><sup>1<\/sup><\/a>\u2014to create a feminist mythology. They disregarded earlier records and testimonies, instead favoring recent contradictory statements by Govinda and Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012bs that align with SAC\u2019s political ideology.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Govinda D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s revised narrative falsely accuses male devotees of <strong>pressuring<\/strong> \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da, while he was ill, to grant the men brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b against his will. We present firsthand recorded testimony of devotees who were present at the functions as well as written documentation which demonstrate that there was a feminist agitation which led \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da to reconsider his initial decision of not giving the females <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b \u2014<\/em>not because giving it was a \u201cprinciple\u201d beneficial to their spiritual life but that he saw \u201cno harm\u201d if they got it. Hardly a ringing endorsement for continuing the practice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Additionally, we examine examples of SAC\u2019s reliance on unreliable narrators and their strategic use of falsehoods to advance a feminist agenda.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We also discuss the \u201c<a href=\"#dharma-sa\u00ecka\u00f6a\"><em>dharma-sa\u1e45ka\u1e6da<\/em><\/a>\u201d\u2014moral dilemma\u2014\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da faced in the early days leading him to, \u201cSometimes do something which I should not have done.\u201d Finally, we argue why the practice of giving <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> to female disciples should cease.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"982\" height=\"774\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/noon_gayatri__radha_damodara_res.png?resize=982%2C774&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Srila Prabhupada chants noon gayatri at his quarters at the Radha Damora temple.\" class=\"wp-image-605\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/noon_gayatri__radha_damodara_res.png?w=982&amp;ssl=1 982w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/noon_gayatri__radha_damodara_res.png?resize=300%2C236&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/noon_gayatri__radha_damodara_res.png?resize=768%2C605&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 982px) 100vw, 982px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"> \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da chants noon <em>g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> at his <br>quarters at the R\u0101dh\u0101-D\u0101modara temple.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"preface\">Preface<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>Dear Mah\u0101r\u0101jas, Prabhus and M\u0101t\u0101j\u012bs,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Please accept my humble obeisance. All glories to \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u015a\u0101stric Advisory Council has engaged in illicit historical revisionism that serves their ideological objectives, distorting facts to justify their stance. This document serves as Part 2 of my response to SAC\u2019s paper, \u201c<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Brahma-gayatri-SAC-complete.pdf\"><em>Brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> mantra in ISKCON<\/a>\u201d (download it from the link). While <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/?p=166\">Part 1<\/a> of my response provided a philosophical critique, this segment delves into historical and factual inaccuracies, exposing instances of manipulation and deception. It is crucial to confront these distortions to uphold truth and preserve the integrity of \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s teachings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Movements that rely on deception to further their aims are fundamentally flawed, as they sacrifice honesty and integrity for power or influence. This leads to long-term damage, not only to the movement itself but also to the people it claims to represent or help. The stakes are high, as these falsehoods not only distort historical records but also impact the spiritual lives of devotees. The following analysis meticulously examines SAC\u2019s claims, presenting evidence that challenges their narrative and highlights the dangers of promoting ideologically driven distortions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>d\u0101sa d\u0101s\u0101nud\u0101sa<br>Shyamasundara D\u0101sa ACBSP, Jyoti\u1e63\u012b<br><em>K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47e matir astu<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-pullquote\">\n<blockquote style=\"margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;\"><p><mark class=\"has-inline-color has-ast-global-color-1-color\" style=\"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);\">Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.<br>George Orwell \u2014 1984<\/mark><a id=\"514219-fnref2\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn2\"><sup>2<\/sup><\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"introduction\">Introduction<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>Earlier this year I observed an exchange between two devotees on social media, regarding the first time \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da gave <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> to female disciples. \u201cDevotee 1\u201d gives the previously universally accepted history as recorded in various documented sources. Whereas \u201cDevotee 2\u201d vehemently responds based on the rewritten \u201chistory\u201d in SAC\u2019s paper.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Devotee 1: He [\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da] observed those symptoms as part of a revolt by the two <em>m\u0101t\u0101j\u012bs<\/em> at that first <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em>&#8211;<em>d\u012bk\u1e63\u0101<\/em> ceremony. Hence, he chose to give the mantra alone without the sacred thread.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Devotee 2: This is so disingenuous that I have little doubt it is an <em>apar\u0101dha<\/em>. I can only say that I will muster whatever genuine empathy I have to say a prayer for you and others who peddle such nonsense. There isn\u2019t a scintilla of evidence for what you state. In addition, everyone involved at the time has confirmed such a claim is completely false. Also to even think for a moment that these young devotees would have had the desire and gumption to try to put \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da under pressure, what to speak of succeeding to do so, is fanciful in the extreme. The plain truth is you are grasping at straws that don\u2019t exist and in the process clocking up offences. I would urge you (for your own wellbeing) to stop right here, right now.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>How did the standard historical depiction get turned upside down and is now considered an <em>apar\u0101dha<\/em>? Let\u2019s find out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"when-feminists-control-the-past\">When Feminists Control the Past<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>A favorite Marxist and feminist tactic of dissimulation is to control the past<a id=\"514219-fnref3\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn3\"><sup>3<\/sup><\/a> by rewriting history through a feminist lens and then weaponizing that history to achieve their goals. (See also <a href=\"#appendix\">Appendix<\/a> \u201cDeception is a Feminist Tactic.\u201d) And that is exactly what SAC has done. In the section of SAC\u2019s paper entitled, \u201cThe first times \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da gave <em>g\u0101yatr\u012b-d\u012bk\u1e63\u0101<\/em> to his disciples: the real history\u201d (pages 103\u2013109) SAC distorts events to fabricate a feminist mythology.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>SAC\u2019s claims hinge on demonstrably false premises. They assert that Govinda D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s absence from the initiation ceremony stemmed from her objection to \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da being <strong>pressured<\/strong> into initiating while ill. SAC\u2019s reliance on this altered account highlights their disregard for historical accuracy (emphasis mine):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>On May 6th, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da was giving g\u0101yatr\u012b mantra to some men disciples. Govinda d\u0101s\u012b had initially stayed away as she was upset that the men had asked \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da for g\u0101yatr\u012b-mantra <strong>when he was in ill health<\/strong>.<br><em>Page 103<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>And then later repeating the same falsehood on page 107,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>He [Satsvar\u016bpa Mah\u0101r\u0101ja] says that Govinda d\u0101s\u012b was late because she was upset that she was not included in the initiation and feigned illness, but Govinda d\u0101s\u012b says she was late because she was upset that some devotees had <strong>pressured<\/strong> Prabhup\u0101da to have an initiation <strong>when he had been ill<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-pullquote\">\n<blockquote style=\"margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;\"><p><mark class=\"has-inline-color has-ast-global-color-1-color\" style=\"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);\">There is nothing more sinful than untruthfulness. Because of this, mother earth once said, \u201cI can bear any heavy thing except a person who is a liar.\u201d<br><em>\u015ar\u012bmad-Bh\u0101gavatam<\/em> 8.20.4<\/mark><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>But SAC\u2019s ruse unravels in this recorded YouTube interview wherein, Govinda D\u0101s\u012b herself tells us what happened. There is no mention of \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da being pressured by men to initiate while he was ill as the cause of her absence but rather of her great anger for being excluded from the initiation\u2014a portrayal consistent across multiple testimonies (emphasis mine).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Govinda D\u0101s\u012b: Goursundar really wanted this Gayatri mantra, so he talked to Prabhup\u0101da about it. He was reading all kinds of things. So Prabhup\u0101da agreed to give him Gayatri mantra and give him second initiation. So I met him on the street and he had his hair all shaved off, <strong>that really bothered me.<\/strong> But that night he had the Gayatri mantra initiation, and <strong>I was upset because he was going to give Goursundar a mantra but he wasn\u2019t going to give it to me.<\/strong> So I felt very left out. So when it came time to go for the initiation ceremony, I said, \u201cWell, I\u2019m not feeling very well so I\u2019m not going to go.\u201d I was pouting. And then after they left, I thought to myself, \u201cWhat am I doing? I don\u2019t want to be not there!\u201d So I ran out the door and ran the 10 blocks all the way to the temple and burst into the temple, and Prabhup\u0101da was sitting there giving the initiation and he looked up and he said, \u201cAh, Govinda dasi, I was wondering how you could stay away. You love to hear me speak so much.\u201d Because he wanted me to come, <strong>but I was mad. I was very upset about this. And so because I was a little upset, he decided that the girls also should have Gayatri mantra. Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b was more upset.<\/strong> And so he gave us initiation the next evening with the Gayatri mantra because he knew that in this country the girls and the boys are educated in the same way.<br><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Go0AyD7urmw&amp;t=4081\" rel=\"noopener\">Following \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da \u2014 DVD 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Go0AyD7urmw?si=E8TB-KNL02FiBqIk&amp;start=4081\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Govinda D\u0101s\u012b tells us the real reason she didn\u2019t go to the initiation ceremony was because she was very upset (and Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b even more so), that only the men were getting the <em>g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> mantra and not her, <strong>and that because the girls were upset \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da decided to give the girls <em>g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em>-mantra.<\/strong><a id=\"514219-fnref4\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn4\"><sup>4<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pradyumna Prabhu confirms that the women were very angry and boycotted the temple (emphasis mine):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Pradyumna D\u0101sa: During that Boston trip, almost every week new faces used to show up from New York. All the New York devotees would come up \u2013 Brahmananda, Rayarama, Rupanuga. The Boston temple had always been a small temple \u2013 three people, two people, five people, six people, but never more than about five or six; but during Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s visit there, it was just packed with mostly New York devotees. I remember the day after the br\u0101hma\u1e47a initiation we all went on a walk, I was also there, and I quipped, \u201cBoston brahmins.\u201d Prabhup\u0101da said, \u201cAh, yes, Boston brahmins.\u201d There were six of us that got sacred thread in the first initiation, six men and no women. <strong>Then they raised a fuss and they didn\u2019t show up. They were so angry that they weren\u2019t going to get second initiation, they didn\u2019t come.<\/strong><br><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Go0AyD7urmw&amp;t=4024\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Following \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da<\/em> \u2014 DVD 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Go0AyD7urmw?si=E8TB-KNL02FiBqIk&amp;start=4024\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>In the next video Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012b confirms the reason why Govinda D\u0101s\u012b did not attend. It was not as SAC claims, that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da was ill and forced to do an initiation by the men (emphasis mine):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012b : I didn\u2019t know that I wasn\u2019t getting second initiation so I was in the temple. <strong>But Govinda D\u0101s\u012b, one of Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s personal servants, wasn\u2019t there because she knew she wasn\u2019t going to get second initiation, and she felt bad.<\/strong> She came late. The fire sacrifice was taking place near the front door, and when she came in Prabhup\u0101da looked up and said, \u201cOh, I was just thinking, \u2018Where is the girl?\u2019 and Krishna has sent you.\u201d<br><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/C6C6Xlf72uY?si=AfEXfAIDdz0C4Qsy&amp;t=3665\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da Remembrances,<\/em> ITV, Siddhanta Dasa, Ch.20<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/C6C6Xlf72uY?si=AfEXfAIDdz0C4Qsy&amp;start=3665\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>And in the next video Balai Mataji describes how one of Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s assistants in the art department named Madhav\u012b Lat\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b, \u201cinsisted that the women, especially her, be given <em>gay\u0101tr\u012b<\/em>-mantra.\u201d (Emphasis mine.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Balai: To my understanding, Srila Prabhupada didn\u2019t want to give girls <em>gay\u0101tr\u012b-mantra<\/em>. In India at that time girls didn\u2019t receive <em>gay\u0101tr\u012b-mantra<\/em>. <strong>But one very outspoken woman, Madhav\u012b Lat\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b, insisted that the women, especially her, be given <em>gay\u0101tr\u012b-mantra<\/em>.<\/strong> Srila Prabhupada, being a pure devotee, could make an adjustment to previous customs according to time and circumstance. Thus, he gave all the women <em>g\u0101yatr\u012b-mantra.<\/em> That adjustment was necessary because so many women did and still do pujari work which is also something that wasn\u2019t done in India but <em>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da<\/em> allowed it in America. [This is incorrect, <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b,<\/em> as we pointed out in <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/?p=166\">Part 1<\/a> of our response to SAC, is not required to do deity worship.]<br><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/TKZqomI11Hc?si=qCfgfZqWnZsCK4pt&amp;t=1333\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da Remembrances,<\/em> Siddh\u0101nta d\u0101sa, ITV, Chapter 48<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/TKZqomI11Hc?si=qCfgfZqWnZsCK4pt&amp;start=1333\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>This seems to indicate that there were more than two females involved especially since Madhav\u012b Lat\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b was a close associate of Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012b and siding with her. More on Madhav\u012b Lat\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b later.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On page 104 SAC quotes Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012b,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Brahm\u0101nanda suggested that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da had given <em>brahminical<\/em> initiation to us girls only because he knew in his heart that we were upset and he wanted to please us. I didn\u2019t believe that at all.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012b is implying that Brahm\u0101nanda Prabhu is a <strong>liar<\/strong><a id=\"514219-fnref5\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn5\"><sup>5<\/sup><\/a> after his demise and unable to defend himself. \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da called Brahm\u0101nanda Prabhu, \u201cThe mountain of our mission.\u201d<a id=\"514219-fnref6\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn6\"><sup>6<\/sup><\/a> He explained that in the beginning he was struggling financially but that Brahm\u0101nanda Prabhu joined and immediately offered his total salary\u2014\u201cAfter his joining I got some relief \u2026 When Brahm\u0101nanda came I got little relief\u2026I made him the president. <strong>He is a very saintly person<\/strong>.\u201d<a id=\"514219-fnref7\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn7\"><sup>7<\/sup><\/a> And as the temple president Brahm\u0101nanda was \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s right-hand-man, an intimate confidant, and attuned to his mood.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Whose estimation of Brahm\u0101nanda Prabhu should we accept\u2014 Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b\u2019s (that he is a liar) or \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s (that he is very saintly)?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And, in this case, Brahm\u0101nanda Prabhu was correct because Govinda D\u0101s\u012b as quoted above agrees with him as to the reasons why \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da gave the girls <em>brahminical<\/em> initiation\u2014because the girls were upset he wanted to appease them. \u201cGovinda d\u0101s\u012b: \u2026but I was mad. I was very upset about this. And so <strong><em>because I was a little upset, he decided that the girls also should have G\u0101yatr\u012b-mantra<\/em>.<\/strong>\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Either Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s memory is faulty, or she is sanitizing her story to look better. In either case, she is not a reliable narrator.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The narrative of the recordings have all been consistent, that the women were furious that they didn\u2019t get brahminical initiated so they boycotted the temple. To placate them \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da gave them the mantra but not the thread. Satsvar\u016bpa d\u0101sa Goswami described the situation thusly in <em>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da-l\u012bl\u0101m\u1e5bta<\/em> (emphasis mine):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Govinda d\u0101s\u012b hadn\u2019t gone to the initiation, excusing herself as ill. Although she hadn\u2019t told Prabhup\u0101da, <strong>she was upset that he wasn\u2019t giving brahminical initiation to women<\/strong>. Disappointed, she had stayed at Swamiji\u2019s apartment, crying. After an hour, however, she decided that by behaving so foolishly she was missing out on Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s talk. So she hurried out of the house and ran all the way to the temple, arriving near the end of the ceremony. As she entered, Prabhup\u0101da looked up. \u201cOh,\u201d he said, \u201cI was just thinking, \u2018Where is that girl?\u2019 and K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a has sent.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>After the ceremony Govinda d\u0101s\u012b conferred with Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b, who also felt slighted. <strong>Prabhup\u0101da could detect their mentality, although they didn\u2019t openly voice their complaints.<\/strong> The next morning he told Gaurasundara and Govinda d\u0101s\u012b that <strong>he saw no harm<\/strong> in offering the <em>Gay\u0101tr\u012b-mantra<\/em> to women \u2013 but they could not receive the sacred thread. That very night, he held a separate ceremony, initiating Govinda d\u0101s\u012b and Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b into the <em>G\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em>&#8211;<em>mantra.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da-l\u012bl\u0101m\u1e5bta<\/em> Volume 2, Chapter 58 \u201cA Visit to Boston\u201d<a id=\"514219-fnref8\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn8\"><sup>8<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>This description accurately captures the mood in the recorded conversations of Govinda and Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012bs and Pradyumna Prabhu. We should also note that he didn\u2019t say it would benefit the women, but that he didn\u2019t see any harm in giving it to them\u2014a big difference.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And in <em>Living with the Scriptures<\/em> Satsvar\u016bpa d\u0101sa Goswami writes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>The next morning Prabhup\u0101da held a second <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> initiation ceremony. This was for the women, after they had made a <strong>feminist protest<\/strong> about being excluded. Soon after that, groups of devotees came from both New York and Montreal to also receive second initiation. Thus on several occasions we got to hear \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da lecture about the meaning of <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> and the authenticity of his awarding this status to those born in the West.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Living with the Scriptures<\/em> \u201cIX: The Boston Br\u0101hma\u1e47as\u201d<a id=\"514219-fnref9\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn9\"><sup>9<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Why did he describe it as a \u201cfeminist protest?\u201d Because militant \u201cSecond-wave feminism\u201d began in the early 1960s. This was the zeitgeist of ISKCON\u2019s formative years. And while most newcomers, both men and women, were imbued with hippie consciousness, many of the women came with the extra baggage of feminist conditioning.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s Western female disciples weren\u2019t trained in <em>Str\u012b-dharma<\/em>. Think about&nbsp;<em>Gau\u1e0d\u012bya<\/em>&#8211;<em>ma\u1e6dha<\/em> practices regarding&nbsp;menstruation (<a href=\"#govinda-d\u00e4s\u00e9-rejects-her-gurus-instruction\">see below<\/a>).&nbsp;None of \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s God-sisters received <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em>. So how could \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da go against \u015ar\u012bla Bhaktisiddh\u0101nta in this regard unless and until there was some pressure from his Western female disciples?&nbsp;If they had been trained in <em>str\u012b-dharma<\/em> there would never have been any issue. But they were feminists, as some still are now\u2014as evidenced by their behavior.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"716\" height=\"450\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/pradyumna.jpg?resize=716%2C450&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Pradyumna Prabhu\" class=\"wp-image-608\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/pradyumna.jpg?w=716&amp;ssl=1 716w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/pradyumna.jpg?resize=300%2C189&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 716px) 100vw, 716px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Pradyumna Prabhu<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"conversation-with-pradyumna-prabhu\">Conversation with Pradyumna Prabhu<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>In 1998 I called Pradyumna Prabhu on behalf of the GBC who had agreed to my recommendation that they apologize to Pradyumna for neglecting the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Pradyumnas_ltr_to_GBC.pdf\">prescient letter<\/a> he had written to Satsvar\u016bpa D\u0101sa Goswami in 1978. Over the course of our long desultory conversation, he revealed to me that he was present at the first second initiation ceremony in the USA. And that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da did not want to give the women second initiation. The young women were extremely angry and protested, boycotting the temple. \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da (concerned that his infant movement was disturbed by such rebellious tendencies) pacified the girls by having another initiation ceremony in which he gave them the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b-mantra<\/em> but not the sacred thread which is the emblem of a <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When the question arose as to why \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da had given them the mantra but not the sacred thread it was concluded by both of us that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da was under pressure to do something <a href=\"#i-had-to-sometimes-do-something-which-i-should-not-have-done\">he didn\u2019t want to do<\/a> by disciples who were culturally challenged when it came to Lord K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a\u2019s Vedic civilization. \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da didn\u2019t want his nascent movement impeded at its inception so he gave the mantra but didn\u2019t give the thread.<a class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn10\" id=\"514219-fnref10\"><sup>10<\/sup><\/a> We also examined the potential argument that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s decision not to give the sacred thread to women might serve as a subtle indication to more knowledgeable individuals in the future that the practice of granting women the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> mantra should not persist.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"time-line-of-divergent-testimonies-important\">Time Line of Divergent Testimonies Important<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>SAC may object, \u201cBut we are not falsifying history; we asked Govinda D\u0101s\u012b and she is saying this; she is changing the history. Why do you accuse us of changing history?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We respond: Until SAC\u2019s paper of 2023 the universally accepted account, as recorded in various documented sources, was that a feminist revolt took place and in order to appease them \u015ar\u012bla Prabhupad\u0101 gave them <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> without the thread. But now SAC up-ends the received history in order to establish imaginary reasons as to why \u015ar\u012bla Prabhupad\u0101 gave females <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em>, and enthusiastically accept Govinda D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s and Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s new contrary recounting of \u201chistory\u201d without due diligence and properly vetting their sources.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Everyone knew what the old history was. The question is why did SAC so readily believe the new version? Could this devotee\u2019s experience be related?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>In my experience of dealing with the FDG issue, I saw that their weakest argument was our pointing out the incidence of the first second initiation. The supporters of FDG were running away from answering this point and never tried to falsify what Satsvar\u016bpa Mah\u0101r\u0101ja said. It is after two years of SAC\u2019s effort that they could&nbsp; come up with something to even speak about, and that evidence is also weak, which shows that they know their argument is empty.<a id=\"514219-fnref11\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn11\"><sup>11<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>It would seem that SAC is not in the business of researching the truth but creating feminist mythology.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-pullquote\">\n<blockquote style=\"margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;\"><p><mark class=\"has-inline-color has-ast-global-color-1-color\" style=\"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);\">If a lie is only printed often enough, it becomes a quasi-truth, and if such a truth is repeated often enough, it becomes an article of belief, a dogma, and men will die for it.<a id=\"514219-fnref12\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn12\"><sup>12<\/sup><\/a><br>Isa Blagden<\/mark><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>It should be noted that the videos, \u201cFollowing \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da \u2014 DVD 1\u201d was published by Yadubara Prabhu on October 25, 2002 using much earlier recordings of Govinda D\u0101s\u012b and Pradyumna Prabhu from the \u201cRemembrances\u201d track.<a id=\"514219-fnref13\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn13\"><sup>13<\/sup><\/a> And, Siddh\u0101nta Prabhu\u2019s \u201c\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da Remembrances\u201d ITV series was started in 1991.<a id=\"514219-fnref14\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn14\"><sup>14<\/sup><\/a> So the interview of Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012b took place circa 1995 as is obvious from her youthful appearance in the video. The point is that these testimonies are decades earlier than the new \u201crevelations.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The videos were not kept in secret vaults but in the public eye for decades and seen by thousands. But some how SAC didn\u2019t know about it. Or, they did and hoped others had forgotten or were too lazy to do their homework.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why didn\u2019t they do their \u201cdue diligence?\u201d Was it because that would negate their thesis? As former SAC member Mukunda Datta Prabhu personally told me, \u201cIn a nutshell, this is how SAC works.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mukunda Datta Prabhu further opined:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>One thing about my experience with SAC is that it demonstrates how long SAC has harbored both bad methodology and sinister agendas. These corruptions became politically treacherous especially after Urmila and her ilk slowly stuffed SAC with their agenda\u2019s sympathizers after 2010 or so. By 2013 it became very clear to me that it\u2019s alleged \u201cresearch\u201d on the FDG issue merely followed a preset conclusion, a social activist agenda backed by&nbsp; favorable GBC EC members at that time:&nbsp; Anuttama, Tamohara, and Praghosa prabhus.<a id=\"514219-fnref15\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn15\"><sup>15<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>For further insights from Mukunda Datta Prabhu into the internal workings of SAC see:<em><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/politicaly_motivated_SAC.pdf\">Politically Motivated Wrongdoings of the Sastric Advisory Committee.<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"govinda-d\u00e4s\u00e9-is-not-a-historian\">Govinda D\u00e4s\u00e9 is not a Historian<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>If SAC had done proper research they would have found out that Govinda D\u0101s\u012b is not a reliable source when it comes to the history of ISKCON. As Jay\u0101dvaita Swami tells us (emphasis mine):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>I have a very soft spot in my heart for my senior godsister Govinda D\u0101s\u012b. In 1968, right after I was initiated, she was serving as \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s cook, and for a couple of weeks in Boston I got to assist her. I will always fondly remember those days of being with her and Gaurasundara in serving \u015ar\u012bla Prabhupad\u0101. She was (and is) such a nice example of a devoted disciple! <strong>But as for Govinda D\u0101s\u012b the historian, well.&nbsp;.&nbsp;.<\/strong><a id=\"514219-fnref16\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn16\"><sup>16<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>He then explains in two articles: \u201cBook changes: History backs the BBT\u201d<a id=\"514219-fnref17\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn17\"><sup>17<\/sup><\/a> and \u201cBook changes: History really does back the BBT\u201d<a id=\"514219-fnref18\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn18\"><sup>18<\/sup><\/a> why her historical memoirs are unreliable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In summary the two web articles critique Govinda D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s reliance on her personal memories to challenge the BBT\u2019s editorial decisions regarding \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s works. Jay\u0101dvaita Swami argues that <strong>Govinda D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s recollections often misrepresent events<\/strong>, particularly concerning the <em>Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/em> manuscript preparation and editing process. The articles emphasize the need for historical accuracy, <strong>noting discrepancies in her claims when compared with documented facts<\/strong>. By highlighting these points, the BBT defends its revisions as faithful to Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s teachings and authorized by him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It could be argued that Govinda D\u0101s\u012b, being opposed to book edits, may have \u201cadjusted\u201d her recollections to align with her stance. Similarly, when informed by SAC about their research into the first second initiation ceremony in the USA and their underlying motives\u2014supporting FDG and other feminist agendas she endorses\u2014Govinda D\u0101s\u012b may have once again \u201cadjusted\u201d her account. This pattern suggests that Govinda D\u0101s\u012b has a reputation for modifying narratives to reinforce positions she supports.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Whatever the case, we reject Govinda D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s revised recollections and instead rely on the well-documented earlier testimonies provided above for historical accuracy. These accounts consistently confirm the incident of Govinda D\u0101s\u012b being upset during the second initiations in Boston.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>SAC is supposed to be ISKCON GBC\u2019s most eminent advisory body yet they made such an egregious error. This leads to the following possible scenarios:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>It was not an error but a calculated move to deceive. SAC cynically and purposely colluded with Govinda D\u0101s\u012b and coached her to change her story in the hopes that no one would notice.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>SAC turned a \u201cNelson\u2019s eye\u201d to Govinda D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s \u201cadjusted\u201d recollection because it fits their political and ideological objectives.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>SAC are incompetent and do not have the existential stamina to do methodical and thorough research.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some combination of the above.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Let us now change tack and shine a light on SAC\u2019s hypocrisy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"sacs-hypocritical-double-standard\">SAC\u2019s Hypocritical Double Standard<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>On page 108, SAC states:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>To suggest that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da gave the d\u012bk\u1e63\u0101-mantras to women in Boston because he felt <strong>pressured<\/strong> by them to do so is highly presumptuous.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>However, on page 107, they (falsely) claim,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Govinda d\u0101s\u012b says she was late because she was upset that some devotees had <strong>pressured<\/strong> Prabhup\u0101da to have an initiation when he had been ill.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SAC\u2019s inconsistency in addressing alleged pressures on \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da is striking. On page 108 of their paper, they dismiss as \u201chighly presumptuous\u201d the notion that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da gave <em>g\u0101yatr\u012b-d\u012bk\u1e63\u0101<\/em> to women under pressure from them. Yet, on page 107, they accept without question the claim that male disciples pressured \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da to conduct an initiation ceremony despite his ill health.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This double standard is evident in their selective approach to testimony. When accusations align with their feminist agenda, they are presented as credible; when they contradict it, they are dismissed as offensive or speculative. Such selective reasoning undermines the objectivity expected from a body like SAC and exposes its ideological bias.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"another-example-of-feminist-presumptuousness\">Another Example of Feminist Presumptuousness<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>Another example of feminist presumptuousness is their claim that the men pressured \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da to exclude women from morning walks. The actual situation was explained by H.H. Tam\u0101la K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a Goswami (emphasis mine):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Another way he was not equal is after a while, very rarely did women accompany him on a walk. Now the women claim that this is because of the sannyasis. I don&#8217;t know which sannyasis they are talking about, but some of the sannyasis, they say, were really pushing the women away and not letting them have an equal right. There may be some truth to that but Prabhup\u0101da allowed it. Prabhup\u0101da was not so unaware of the fact that there were no women on the walk. He could have said, \u201cWhere is so and so, where is so and so?\u201d and he did used to say, \u201cWhere is so and so, where is so and so?\u201d <strong>but that so and so was always a sanny\u0101si or a senior man<\/strong>. So I don&#8217;t think that Prabhup\u0101da was equal to all.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now I will show you how he was equal to all. Because when the movement was just beginning, he showed far more equality to the women, when there were no sannyasis in the movement. He had a woman secretary, Govinda D\u0101s\u012b. It is very interesting, how he got rid of her. Very interesting, because he did not want Govinda D\u0101s\u012b to realize that he wanted to change the secretary. So he dictated a letter to me and had me write the letter and post it separately to get a male secretary in but his first secretary was a woman secretary. He had ladies cooking for him. And the women used to come walking with him just as much as the men. Yamuna used to lead the kirtans.Yamuna and Himavati used to speak at public lectures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But gradually as the movement became more established, he tried to establish what you may call Vedic culture and that is where he started to make these distinctions. In his mind he made no distinction. One time in 1977, Prabhup\u0101da asked me, \u201cWhere is,\u201d I think it was Upendra, perhaps. I said, \u201cHe is cooking in the kitchen.\u201d So Prabhup\u0101da said, \u201cWho else is in the kitchen?\u201d and I said, \u201cSrutirupa, the wife of Abhirama.\u201d Prabhup\u0101da said, \u201cOh that is not very good, that they are in the same room together.\u201d He said, \u201cI am above all of these things now. I am an old man but you are all young <em>sanny\u0101s\u012bs<\/em>, you must be very careful.\u201d So he did these things to protect the <em>sanny\u0101sa<\/em> asrama, and in general uphold Vedic etiquette.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Talk in Hungary on Aug 24, 2000<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>It should be noted that Upendra Prabhu was not a <em>sanny\u0101s\u012b<\/em>. And, Srutakirti Prabhu recalls in his book<a class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn19\" id=\"514219-fnref19\"><sup>19<\/sup><\/a> that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da admonished him not to cook in the same kitchen with women to avoid a spiritual fall down. So this was not just about protecting <em>sanny\u0101s\u012bs<\/em> but the spiritual life of both sexes. However, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da was especially protective of the <em>sanny\u0101s\u012bs<\/em> because of their special position as the spiritual masters in <em>var\u1e47\u0101\u015brama dharma<\/em> society.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"some-women-in-iskcon-behaved-in-ways-that-led-to-sanny\u00e4s\u00e9s-falling-down\">Some Women in ISKCON Behaved in Ways That Led to Sanny\u00e4s\u00e9s Falling Down<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>In K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a\u2019s Vedic culture, celibate <em>brahmac\u0101r\u012bs<\/em> and especially <em>sanny\u0101s\u012bs<\/em> are regarded as invaluable jewels, deserving of protection to ensure the purity of their <em>brahmacarya<\/em>. For instance, men are traditionally trained never to leave a <em>sanny\u0101s\u012b<\/em> alone with a woman, and chaste women are taught to avoid acting in ways that might attract, entice, or disturb <em>sanny\u0101s\u012bs<\/em>. And in general there was strict separation of the sexes to maintain a sanctified ambiance in society. However, in the following conversation, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da highlighted a troubling deviation within ISKCON: some husbandless women were intentionally dressing attractively to draw attention from men in hopes of snaring a husband, even going so far as to solicit (canvass) <em>sanny\u0101s\u012bs<\/em>, which led to instances of spiritual fall down (emphasis mine).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Prabhup\u0101da: That one thing is that this sort of publicity, and this, this dress, is very nice. Girls who have no husband, they should dress like this, not attractive dress. A dress sometimes attracts the opposite sex. <strong>And women are&#8230;, by nature they dress very nicely.<\/strong> [laughs] That is everywhere\u2014<strong>to attract<\/strong>. The nature is that they are dependent, woman, by nature. Do you admit or not?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>P\u0101lik\u0101: Yes. \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jagad\u012b\u015ba: Most of the women, or at least many of the women in our society, have neither father, husband or sons.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prabhup\u0101da: It is very precarious condition. So we want to give them, all of them, \u201cCome and live.\u201d But when you come here, if you get husband we have no objection, <strong>but don&#8217;t canvass. That is not good. And that is making our sanny\u0101s\u012bs fall down.<\/strong> Of course, it is difficult, that young men, young women living, intermingling. &#8230; And this kind of hypocrisy\u2014they have taken sanny\u0101sa and mixing with woman\u2014this is not to be allowed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Room Conversation\u2014<\/em>January 7, 1977, Bombay<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>This article, \u201cThe Night Dacoits Stole \u015ar\u012bmat\u012b R\u0101dh\u0101r\u0101\u1e47\u012b\u201d<a id=\"514219-fnref20\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn20\"><sup>20<\/sup><\/a> shows why \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da wanted us to uphold the Vedic social etiquette of separating the sexes and the serious consequences that follow by neglecting them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The feminists within ISKCON have rewritten history by reinterpreting \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s actions and teachings to fit a feminist perspective. They suggest that Prabhup\u0101da was aware of and sympathetic to women\u2019s issues but allowed stricter gender roles under <strong>pressure<\/strong> to accommodate the concerns of newly initiated male celibates. In actual fact \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da introduced stricter gender roles because of his own concerns regarding newly initiated male celibates (and the spiritual health of all his disciples). This revisionist approach seeks to distance Prabhup\u0101da from the traditional gender roles he promoted (based on <em>\u015b\u0101stra<\/em> and Vedic orthopraxy) and to place the blame on male leaders for enforcing these roles (which were desired by Prabhup\u0101da). The feminists have altered the historical account to create a gender divide similar to that in secular society, misrepresenting Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s teachings to support their own views on gender equality. <strong>The feminists\u2019 real problem is with certain of \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s teachings which at heart they do not agree with and do not want to accept.<\/strong><a class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn21\" id=\"514219-fnref21\"><sup>21<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Segregation of the sexes is fundamental to <em>var\u1e47\u0101\u015brama dharma<\/em>, a system \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da sought to establish due to his disciples\u2019 moral lapses.<a id=\"514219-fnref22\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn22\"><sup>22<\/sup><\/a> However <em>var\u1e47\u0101\u015brama<\/em> without <em>var\u1e47as<\/em> isn\u2019t <em>var\u1e47\u0101\u015brama<\/em> by anyone\u2019s standards.<a id=\"514219-fnref23\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn23\"><sup>23<\/sup><\/a> Also without distinguishing between men and women there is no <em>var\u1e47\u0101\u015brama<\/em>. Ignoring his directive to implement <em>var\u1e47\u0101\u015brama<\/em> <em>dharma<\/em> led to the downfall of many prominent leaders and the subsequent rise of the <em>\u1e5atvik<\/em> heresy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Returning from our digression: according to SAC logic, when feminists falsely claim that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da was pressured by men, it is deemed reasonable. However, when others factually state that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da was pressured by women, it is dismissed as \u201chighly presumptuous.\u201d We categorically reject such SAC logic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"examples-of-rebellious-women-in-iskcon\">Examples of Rebellious Women in ISKCON<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"m\u00e4dhav\u00e9-lat\u00e4-d\u00e4s\u00e9-revolted\">M\u00e4dhav\u00e9-lat\u00e4 D\u00e4s\u00e9 Revolted<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>We previously mentioned M\u0101dhav\u012b Lat\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b, an artist and associate of Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012b. She is noted for having a troubled mind, with \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da describing her as, \u201cThis girl appears very disturbing and every place she goes there seems to be some trouble.\u201d<a id=\"514219-fnref24\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn24\"><sup>24<\/sup><\/a> She was even arrested and jailed for theft.<a id=\"514219-fnref25\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn25\"><sup>25<\/sup><\/a> M\u0101dhav\u012b Lat\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b exhibited a defiant attitude toward any form of restriction. She challenged the prohibition against women receiving the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em>, as discussed earlier, and was not alone in this stance. This can be seen as part of a broader revolt by certain women (feminists) against the limitations imposed on the female gender in K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a\u2019s Vedic culture. In the following transcript, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da specifically highlights M\u0101dhav\u012b Lat\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s rebellious and recalcitrant temperament (emphasis mine).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Prabhup\u0101da: The whole Vedic civilization is to bring men to the transcendental platform by restricting all his nonsense habits to nil. But not all of a sudden. Gradually, according to the quality. Similarly, those who are addicted to flesh-eating, meat-eating: \u201cAll right.\u201d Vedic literature says, \u201cAll right. You can eat meat. But sacrifice an animal before the deity, Goddess K\u0101l\u012b, and you can eat.\u201d So that the man who is eating meat, he\u2019ll not revolt. If I say&#8230; Just like many men revolts already. That girl? What is called?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Devotee: M\u0101dhav\u012b-lat\u0101.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prabhup\u0101da: <strong>M\u0101dhav\u012b-lat\u0101, she revolted. She revolted.<\/strong> <strong>She was always trying to plead, \u201cWhy this restriction? Why this restriction?\u201d<\/strong> So I had to tell, \u201cIf you don&#8217;t like the restriction, then go away. You don&#8217;t associate with us.\u201d What can be done? So they do not want restriction. That is natural tendency. <strong>But these \u015b\u0101stras are meant for restriction.<\/strong> Just like marriage is restriction of sex life. And offering sacrifice before Goddess K\u0101l\u012b, that is also a restriction of meat-eating. You cannot eat meat by purchasing from the slaughterhouse. \u2026 So these books, these literatures, I mean to say, Vedic literatures, are meant for <strong>restricting our life and elevating ourself<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>\u015ar\u012bmad-Bh\u0101gavatam<\/em> 1.5.9-11 \u2014 June 6, 1969, New Vrindavan<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>M\u0101dhav\u012b Lat\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b must have been notorious because we note that the devotee immediately knew who \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da intended.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"govinda-d\u00e4s\u00e9-rejects-her-gurus-instruction\">Govinda D\u00e4s\u00e9 Rejects Her Guru\u2019s Instruction<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>Regarding the rebellious nature of \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s early Western female disciples, the following text shows how some practices in ISKCON allowed by \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da were not really desired by him (emphasis mine).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><br>Text PAMHO:2441074 (31 lines)\n<br>From: Kusha (dd) ACBSP (Philadelphia, PA &#8211; USA)\n<br>Date: 01-Jul-99 12:37 (08:37 -0400)\n<br>To: (Arcana) Deity Worship [3442]\n<br>Subject: Re: babies moochi\n<br>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dear Urmila Prabhu,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dandavats! Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Gaursundar and Govinda dasi, husband and wife team were Srila Prabhupada\u2019s servant and secretary 1967-68. His Divine Grace requested Govinda dasi to take a three day break from her duties from the first day of her period. <strong>She reacted in such a way as to reject her Guru Maharaj\u2019s instruction<\/strong> because she didn\u2019t want to leave his personal service or presence. <strong>Govinda dasi did not want to surrender to SP request, so His Divine Grace said, \u201cOh, it doesn\u2019t matter.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Again on another occasion, Govinda dasi was dying \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s dhotis saffron with a special rock. Srila Prabhupada noticed some reddish off colored fluid on the floor and asked Govinda if menstruation was the cause. If so Govinda dasi should refrain from her regular service and take three days off. Govinda explained the spots on the floor were due to the dye leaking from the dhoti as she carried it to the clothes line.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For many years, many years [sic] following this Govinda dasi has followed Srila Prabhupada\u2019s order. She realized the importance of Srila Prabhupada\u2019s instruction and <strong>gradually became ready to follow in spite of her initial rejection<\/strong> of this particular instruction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Srila Prabhupada wanted that ladies should take 3 days off from all Deity seva. This includes cooking and sewing. <strong>Due to initial rebellion<\/strong> and lack of information this fact is not widely known. I hope this pastime sheds some light on the fact that we should be following the 3 days off rule as instructed by Srila Prabhupada early in the establishment of our beloved ISKCON. In Bharat Varsha, followers of Sanatan Dharma respectfully observe this rule as per Vedic prescription.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Your Servant, Kusha devi dasi<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(Text PAMHO:2441074)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>A friend of Govinda D\u0101s\u012b privately wrote me in regards to this text (emphasis mine):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Govinda D\u0101s\u012b has told me many times that she feels some guilt about this event, because she felt \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da <strong>compromised his ideal on account of her mind<\/strong>, which had rejected his instruction. She also felt that this led to a case of \u201c<em>sa yat pram\u0101\u1e47a\u1e41 kurute<\/em>,\u201d the de facto establishment of a lowered standard she might have prevented.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da desired her compliance, yet when she resisted, he casually remarked, \u201cOh, it doesn\u2019t matter,\u201d though the significance was undeniable. Similarly in regards to <em>gay\u0101tr\u012b-mantra<\/em> he diplomatically stated, \u201cThat he saw no harm\u201d in giving it to them. <strong>Confronted with defiant individuals, options are limited.<\/strong> Giving <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> to women, which is forbidden by <em>\u015b\u0101stra<\/em>, is another lower standard that Govinda D\u0101s\u012b was involved with.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"letters-to-g-and-brahm\u00e4nanda-prabhus\">Letters to \u201cG\u201d and Brahm\u00e4nanda Prabhus<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>And, there is also a letter to G Prabhu regarding his getting married, wherein \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da said the western girls (his disciples), \u201care no longer very much humble and submissive to their husbands.<a id=\"514219-fnref26\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn26\"><sup>26<\/sup><\/a>\u201d (Emphasis mine.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>But one who is disturbed in mind, he must get himself married. Therefore, it has to be decided by oneself if he should marry or not marry. It is a fact however that if one is thoroughly engaged in Krishna\u2019s service, this sex urge does not have much disturbance. But you have got to work outside with karmis and different types of people. Under the circumstances, if you have a good wife to help you, that will be very nice. Another difficulty is that in modern civilization everyone is independent spirited. <strong>The girls are no longer very much humble and submissive to their husbands.<\/strong> So you must be prepared to tolerate such whims of your future wife. According to our Vedic civilization, disagreements between husband and wife is not taken very seriously. But the modern age allows divorce even, either by the husband or by the wife. These things are not good. But after marrying, certainly there will be some disagreement or misunderstanding between husband and wife.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Letter to: G<\/em> \u2014 London, 26 November, 1969<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>And, in fact, G\u2019s wife turned out to be as \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da described leading to a breakdown of the marriage. There is a similar letter to Brahm\u0101nanda Prabhu (emphasis mine):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>I think also that Gargamuni also should be supplied with another bride. Because karmis without association of woman, cannot work. So as he is going to be a karmi\u2014not exactly karmi, karma-yogi, so if he likes, he can marry again. But he cannot be a very strict husband, otherwise the same thing will happen. <strong>Because in America, the girls are not so trained that they will be very much obedient.<\/strong> So you think over, but if he likes, he can marry again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Letter to Brahm\u0101nanda,<\/em> Seattle, 16 Oct 1968<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"sunit\u0101s-story\">Sunit\u0101\u2019s Story<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>The following is a truncated email exchange I had with Urmil\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b leaving only the part essential to our narrative. It shows how \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s Western female disciples actively pushed another female disciple to disobey his instructions (emphasis mine).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><br>Letter PAMHO:9465359 (283 lines)\n<br>From: Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Vedic Astrologer) (USA)\n<br>Date: 21-Feb-05 04:19 -0500\n<br>To: Urmila (dd) ACBSP (ISKCON School NC &#8211; USA)\n<br>Reference: Text PAMHO:8694516 by Urmila (dd) ACBSP\n<br>Comment: Text PAMHO:9467158 by Urmila (dd) ACBSP\n<br>Subject: Re: The Secret Lives of Wives + &#8220;This Is Not A Book Review&#8221;\n<br>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dear Mother Urmila,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sorry that I didn\u2019t answer earlier. I was extraordinarily busy and then 3 hurricanes hit us and then I got sick. I will take this opportunity to answer your other letter as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>## Snip ##<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Remember the late Sunit\u0101 dd? The last time I saw her alive, May 1996, she told me a story. Up till then I didn\u2019t know that she had been married to someone before X. Did you? Anyway she told me she was married to a Marwari man who was not a devotee. He didn\u2019t follow the 4 regs. She told me she went to \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da and asked him what she should do? \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da told her: \u201cjust do what your mother has trained you to do; serve your husband nicely (and offer it to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a).\u201d But when she went back to the temple her Western god-sisters, all cultural barbarians, kept urging her to divorce her husband telling her \u201che is a demon.\u201d She finally relented and divorced her husband and later married X. The last thing she said to me was: \u201cto this day I regret disobeying \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>## Snip&nbsp;##<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Your humble servant, Shyamasundara Dasa<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><br>(Text PAMHO:9465359)\n<br>Letter PAMHO:9467158 (73 lines)\n<br>From: Urmila (dd) ACBSP (ISKCON School NC &#8211; USA)\n<br>Date: 21-Feb-05 10:52 -0500\n<br>To: Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP (Vedic Astrologer) (USA) [28497]\n<br>Reference: Text PAMHO:9465359 by Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP\n<br>Comment: Text PAMHO:9908051 by Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP\n<br>Subject: reply\n<br>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Please accept my obeisances. All glories to \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thank you for your long and careful letter and for taking the time and<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>trouble, of your own accord, to look at my chart and give me good advice. I<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>am deeply grateful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>## Snip ##<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Your servant, Urmila devi dasi<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PS I had always known that about Sunit\u0101. We were such stupid, fanatically misguided persons in those days.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(Text PAMHO:9467158)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Urmil\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b makes an intriguing remark. What did she mean by \u201cstupid, fanatically misguided\u201d? Sunit\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b had conveyed \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s instructions to her Western god-sisters, yet they all (including, it seems, Urmil\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b) encouraged Sunit\u0101 to disregard them. Perhaps this reflected a fanatical expression of feminist defiance against the idea of serving one\u2019s husband\u2014dismissed as \u201cbeing a man\u2019s slave\u201d in feminist rhetoric. Alternatively, they may have believed they knew better than \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da. Whatever their motives, their actions were decidedly not \u201cfanatical\u201d in assisting Sunit\u0101 to adhere to \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s instructions but instead caused her to violate them. This serves as yet another example of Western female disciples opposing \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s expressed wishes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"nor-do-the-women-act-like-mothers\">Nor do the Women Act Like Mothers<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>From Bhurijana Prabhu\u2019s <em>My Glorious Master<\/em> (page 341), it speaks for itself, emphasis mine:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Candravali: Prabhup\u0101da, we hear that in our philosophy the men should treat the women as mothers. But actually, the men, especially the sanny\u0101s\u012bs, don\u2019t treat the women as mothers. Instead they treat them as maya. Their attitude, not the women, seems more like maya! It doesn\u2019t seem proper.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prabhup\u0101da heard her complaint carefully. He smiled softly and began to reply. His words dropped from his mouth as if they were sweet ripe fruits falling from a tree.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong> Yes, the men do not treat the women as mothers. <strong>Nor do the women act like mothers. Neither do they dress as mothers.<\/strong><a id=\"514219-fnref27\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn27\"><sup>27<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"females-in-iskcon-are-not-free-from-anarthas\">Females in ISKCON Are Not Free From Anarthas<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>Today several female disciples of \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da like to describe themselves in self-congratulatory terms. For example, they strategically changed the name of the \u201cWomen\u2019s Ministry\u201d to \u201cVai\u1e63\u1e47av\u012b Ministry,\u201d but \u201cWomen\u2019s Ministry\u201d was the original name that they had chosen. And, they protest that it is not \u201cFDG\u201d but \u201cVDG\u201d \u2014 \u201cVai\u1e63\u1e47av\u012b D\u012bk\u1e63\u0101 Guru\u201d even though historically the name \u201cFemale Diksha-gurus in ISKCON\u201d came from their side and was the title of SAC\u2019s 2005 pro-FDG paper.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Changing the nomenclature to \u201cVai\u1e63\u1e47av\u012b\u201d does not, in and of itself bestow some sort of divinity, and \u201cstatus on a higher platform,\u201d i.e. the attainment of \u201c<em>bh\u0101va<\/em>\u201d and \u201c<em>prema<\/em>.\u201d Females in ISKCON aspiring to serve Lord K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a are not exempt from <em>anarthas<\/em> or immune from criticism.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"dharma-sa\u00ecka\u00f6a\">Dharma-sa\u00ecka\u00f6a<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>The term \u201c<em>dharma-sa\u1e45ka\u1e6da<\/em>\u201d can be translated as \u201cmoral dilemma\u201d or \u201cethical crisis.\u201d \u201c<em>Dharma<\/em>\u201d refers to duty, righteousness, or moral law, while \u201c<em>sa\u1e45ka\u1e6da<\/em>\u201d means difficulty or crisis. Together, <em>dharma-sa\u1e45ka\u1e6da<\/em> describes a situation where one faces a challenging decision involving conflicting duties or ethical principles. The <em>\u015b\u0101stras<\/em> are full of examples of <em>dharma-sa\u1e45ka\u1e6da\u2014<\/em> in the <em>Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101,<\/em> K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is giving Arjuna the solution to his moral dilemma of whether or not to fight his kinsmen. In a previous footnote we referred to Ambar\u012b\u1e63a Mah\u0101r\u0101ja\u2019s <em>dharma-sa\u1e45ka\u1e6da<\/em> in relation to Durv\u0101s\u0101 Muni.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One of the most dramatic cases is the dilemma faced by Vasudeva when Ka\u1e41sa was going to murder his wife Devak\u012b.<a id=\"514219-fnref28\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn28\"><sup>28<\/sup><\/a> In order to save Devak\u012b, Vasudeva agreed to give all his unborn children to Ka\u1e41sa to be killed. For as the sages say <em>\u0101pat-k\u0101le n\u0101sti mary\u0101d\u0101<\/em>\u2014\u201cIn times of crisis, there are no boundaries.\u201d Implying that during critical or emergency situations, the usual rules or norms may be suspended. <a id=\"514219-fnref29\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn29\"><sup>29<\/sup><\/a>And as <em>n\u012bti-\u015b\u0101stra<\/em><a id=\"514219-fnref30\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn30\"><sup>30<\/sup><\/a> tells us, \u201cIn order to save a family one member can be sacrificed, to save a village a family can be sacrificed, to save a country a village can be sacrificed, and to save one\u2019s soul everything can be sacrificed.\u201d<a id=\"514219-fnref31\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn31\"><sup>31<\/sup><\/a> So in order to save his family (Devak\u012b) Vasudeva sacrificed his unborn children. <em>Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava<\/em> commentators note that Vasudeva\u2019s promise to give his future sons to Ka\u1e41sa was not in line with dharmic principles. However, to prevent the imminent death of Devak\u012b, he felt compelled to make such a promise. He left the future to fate, and although his actions seemed contrary to dharma, he was not at fault given the circumstances.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"\u00e7r\u00e9la-prabhup\u00e4da-faced-with-a-dharma-sa\u00ecka\u00f6a\">\u00c7r\u00e9la Prabhup\u00e4da Faced With a Dharma-sa\u00ecka\u00f6a<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>In 1968 at the time of the first second initiation in the USA \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da did not want to give his female disciples <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> because it is forbidden by <em>\u015b\u0101stra<\/em><a id=\"514219-fnref32\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn32\"><sup>32<\/sup><\/a>, his guru didn\u2019t give it to his female disciples, no previous bona fide <em>Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava \u0101c\u0101rya<\/em> has done so, nor has any orthodox <em>samprad\u0101ya<\/em> or other traditional follower of Vedic culture done so. It is strictly verboten. So why did he change his mind and do something he should not have done\u2014give females the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em>? Let us consider the unique circumstances of his situation that constituted his <em>dharma-sa\u1e45ka\u1e6da<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a\u2019s Vedic culture forbids giving <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> to females.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><em>Br\u0101hma\u1e47\u012bs<\/em>, women in <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> families, do not chant this mantra.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da did not want to give his female disciples <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b.<\/em><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>He was preaching to hippies (<em>yavanas<\/em> and <em>mlecchas<\/em>) who had very different social customs which could not be suddenly changed.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some females in particular were infected with feminism and were rebellious.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>They had almost no understanding of the standards or expectations of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a\u2019s Vedic culture.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><em>Str\u012b-dharma<\/em> was an unknown concept to them.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>ISKCON, his preaching mission, was in its infancy and fragile.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Some of his leading female disciples were very upset and made a \u201cfeminist protest.\u201d<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Dissension between men and women could have suffocated the movement.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>He had no one else to consult because no Vedic person or <em>Pari\u1e63ad<\/em><a class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn33\" id=\"514219-fnref33\"><sup>33<\/sup><\/a> had ever faced the situation of preaching to liberal <em>mlecchas<\/em> and feminists.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>He had to make a quick decision and act in such a way to maintain ISKCON\u2019s cohesion.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Seeing his female disciples\u2019 <em>as\u0101marthya<\/em> (inability) to follow Vedic culture he acted in such a way as to protect a nascent ISKCON from potential harm and to assuage the feelings of his rebellious female disciples. Thus he decided, as a stopgap measure, to give them <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> but not the thread and thus solve his dilemma. For as <em>Pa\u00f1ca-tantra<\/em><a id=\"514219-fnref34\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn34\"><sup>34<\/sup><\/a> (4.28-29) tells us:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>When a complete loss is imminent, a wise man gives half away voluntarily and works with the rest, for a complete loss is unbearable. A wise man never sacrifices big interests for smaller ones. This is real wisdom.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>This suggests that in difficult times, wise people are willing to part with a portion of what they have in order to survive or mitigate the damage.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Though they were sincere it was the incapability of \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s female disciples that required him to take emergency measures in order to uphold the highest and most essential action of bringing souls to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"i-had-to-sometimes-do-something-which-i-should-not-have-done\">\u201cI Had to Sometimes do Something Which I Should not Have Done\u201d<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da himself tells us that he sometimes had no other alternative but do things he should not have done (emphasis mine).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Prabhup\u0101da: In a, in the Western countries, <strong>I had to sometimes do something which I should not have done.<\/strong> But I&#8217;ve done it to bring so many souls to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Brahm\u0101nanda: The preaching necessitates that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. Because if there is no other alternative, what can I do?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Morning Walk \u2014<\/em> March 9, 1974, Mayapura<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>And, in the beginning, he did what was necessary for starting the mission but now we should be more careful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Prabhup\u0101da: They must be all ideal <em>\u0101c\u0101rya<\/em>-like. In the beginning we have done for working. Now we should be very cautious. Anyone who is deviating, he can be replaced.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>GBC Meets with \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da&#8211;<\/em>May 28, 1977, Vrindavana<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"ramifications-of-falsifying-the-history\">Ramifications of Falsifying the History<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>We have demonstrated that SAC has misrepresented the history of the first time \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da administered <em>g\u0101yatr\u012b d\u012bk\u1e63\u0101<\/em> to his disciples in the USA. What are the ramifications?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u015ar\u012bla Bhaktisiddh\u0101nta Sarasvat\u012b \u1e6ch\u0101kura introduced significant innovations in spiritual practice, including <em>upanayanam<\/em> for non-<em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> males, but it was all supported by extensive philosophical reasoning based on <em>guru<\/em>, <em>s\u0101dhu<\/em>, and <em>\u015b\u0101stra<\/em>.<a id=\"514219-fnref35\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn35\"><sup>35<\/sup><\/a> In contrast, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s decision to give the <em>s\u0101vitr\u012b g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> mantra to women lacks such clear philosophical <em>\u015b\u0101stric<\/em> justification.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The history as we have shown above reveals that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da initially refused to give the mantra to women. When some female disciples became upset and cried, he relented, stating there was \u201cno harm\u201d in women chanting it, though he did not grant them the accompanying sacred thread. It is important to note that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da never philosophically justified his giving <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> to women as he did repeatedly with giving <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> status to men of lower birth.<a id=\"514219-fnref36\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn36\"><sup>36<\/sup><\/a> \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s decision seems to stem from a response to an immediate moral dilemma, or \u201c<em>dharma-sa\u1e45ka\u1e6da<\/em>,\u201d rather than a foundational doctrinal change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Women in Vai\u1e63\u1e47avism are considered equal to male <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47as<\/em> in spiritual terms, but this does not necessarily imply the need for them to chant the <em>s\u0101vitr\u012b<\/em> mantra or wear the sacred thread. If \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da wanted to give the women second initiation, why not on the same day? <strong>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s initial refusal suggests that the mantra was not deemed an essential principle for women\u2019s spiritual advancement. Had it been, he would have given it to them without hesitation, just as he did for men. Instead, under pressure, he saw \u201cno harm\u201d in allowing it, which implies that the mantra was not perceived as necessary for women\u2019s spiritual progress. This is hardly a ringing endorsement for continuing the practice of giving it to women in the future.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"no-benefit-derived-from-mantras-not-bestowed-voluntarily-by-the-guru-in-proper-d\u00e9k\u00f1\u00e4\">No Benefit Derived From Mantras not Bestowed Voluntarily by the Guru in Proper D\u00e9k\u00f1\u00e4<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>In fact there is no benefit derived from mantras not bestowed voluntarily by the guru in a proper <em>d\u012bk\u1e63\u0101<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><em>mantra\u1e41 dady\u0101t susiddhau tu sahasra\u1e41 de\u015biko japet<br>yad\u1e5bcchay\u0101 \u015bruta\u1e41 mantra\u1e41 chalen\u0101tha balena v\u0101<br>patre sthita\u00f1ca g\u0101th\u0101\u00f1ca janayed yadyanarthakam<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>At the time of <em>d\u012bk\u1e63\u0101<\/em> a guru (<em>de\u015bika<\/em>) chants a thousand count japa of the mantra and gives it to the disciple. A mantra not received through proper <em>d\u012bk\u1e63\u0101<\/em> but by accidental hearing or by deceiving someone, or by force or by violence or through a written paper (or leaf), or through textual verses won\u2019t bear fruit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Agni Purana<\/em> 293.20-21<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Thus according to <em>\u015b\u0101stra,<\/em> mantras that are given because of pressure, crying, boycotts, etc. yield no benefit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"we-are-compelled-to-reexamine-our-practices-as-our-knowledge-increases\">We are Compelled to Reexamine Our Practices as Our Knowledge Increases<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>There are standard practices that we aim to promote as norms, alongside exceptional practices that we might reconsider. \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s desire to establish <em>var\u1e47\u0101\u015brama-dharma<\/em> compel us to reexamine certain practices we followed when we were less informed. For example, in the early days of ISKCON, <em>\u0101rati<\/em> was held simply by offering candles. Just because we initially followed one understanding doesn\u2019t mean we must continue with it once we grasp a more accurate or refined approach. Just like there is no use in perpetuating the old standard of Deity worship before <em>Arcana-paddhati<\/em>, because we know \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da wanted us to advance. Similarly there is no reason to follow the old system of doing initiations by the 1970 system when we know the actual technicalities of doing it properly. We can also expect that eventually ISKCON <em>dvijas<\/em> will take their <em>dvijahood<\/em> seriously and learn <em>sandhy\u0101vandanam<\/em> as mentioned in <em>Hari-bhakti-vil\u0101sa,<\/em> that is our <em>samprad\u0101ya<\/em> standard. If ISKCON chooses to be stuck in the systems that we followed when we didn\u2019t know any better then ISKCON can do that. But future generations will inevitably seek to understand their spiritual heritage, traditions, and culture more deeply according to <em>guru<\/em>, <em>s\u0101dhu<\/em>, and <em>\u015b\u0101stra<\/em>. <strong>It could be argued that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s decision not to grant the sacred thread to women was an implicit signal for future generations that this practice of granting <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> to women should not continue.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"it-is-correct-to-stop-giving-females-brahma-g\u00e4yatr\u00e9\">It is Correct to Stop Giving Females Brahma-g\u00e4yatr\u00e9<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>Considering this, it is not wrong to stop giving females <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> but absolutely the correct thing to do because:<a id=\"514219-fnref37\" class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn37\"><sup>37<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><p>Scriptures forbid giving <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> to females.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>Not giving <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> to females is in accordance with <em>\u015b\u0101stra.<\/em><\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p><em>Br\u0101hma\u1e47\u012bs<\/em>, women in orthodox <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> families, do not chant this mantra.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>No authentic <em>samprad\u0101ya<\/em> gives <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> to females.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>\u015ar\u012bla Bhaktisiddh\u0101nta didn\u2019t give it to any female disciples.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da did not want to give the women <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b.<\/em><\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>Originally reluctant, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da ultimately undertook an action against his preference to pacify a rebellious faction at a critical juncture in the history of ISKCON.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da did not award the females the sacred thread which is an intrinsic part of <em>upanayana<\/em>.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>The situation (cultural backwardness and ignorance) that prompted \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da to do this no longer exists because now many devotees have become more knowledgeable of the practices of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a\u2019s Vedic civilization as evidenced by <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/?p=166\">Part1<\/a> of my response to SAC\u2019s paper.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>Just as in times of famine one may eat forbidden food to survive but must return to a pure diet once the famine ends.<a class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn38\" id=\"514219-fnref38\"><sup>38<\/sup><\/a> Similarly, one may resort to forbidden actions during emergencies but must revert to the norm when the emergency is over.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>There is no loss to Vai\u1e63\u1e47av\u012bs.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>Females are not spiritually benefited by reciting <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b.<\/em> If they were benefited \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da would not have been reluctant in giving it.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>Furthermore, if females were indeed spiritually benefited by reciting <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em>, it would imply that all the previous <em>\u0101c\u0101ryas<\/em>, <em>\u015b\u0101stras<\/em>, and traditions were unjustly denying female devotees a spiritual benefit, which is untenable within the framework of Vedic wisdom.<\/p><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"there-is-no-loss-to-vai\u00f1\u00ebav\u00e9s\">There is no Loss to Vai\u00f1\u00ebav\u00e9s<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>There is no loss to Vai\u1e63\u1e47av\u012bs. Why? Because the only mantra they would not receive is the <em>s\u0101vitr\u012b<\/em>-mantra (<em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> ), a Vedic mantra. They would receive all other <em>p\u0101\u00f1car\u0101trika<\/em> mantras. Thus, they could still do Deity worship<a class=\"footnote-ref\" role=\"doc-noteref\" href=\"#514219-fn39\" id=\"514219-fnref39\"><sup>39<\/sup><\/a> and study <em>bhakti-\u015b\u0101stras<\/em> because, as discussed in <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/?p=166\">Part 1<\/a>, <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> is not used in <em>p\u0101\u00f1car\u0101trika<\/em> Deity worship nor is it a prerequisite to study <em>bhakti-\u015b\u0101stras<\/em> like <em>Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/em>, <em>\u015ar\u012bmad Bh\u0101gavatam, Caitanya-carit\u0101m\u1e5bta,<\/em> <em>Mah\u0101bh\u0101rata<\/em>, <em>R\u0101m\u0101ya\u1e47am<\/em>, <em>Pur\u0101\u1e47as<\/em>, et cetera<em>.<\/em> So what loss would this be to Vai\u1e63\u1e47av\u012bs? Nothing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"final-remarks\">Final Remarks<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>SAC predicates their thesis on the principle that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da gave females the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> mantra because it was beneficial for their spiritual life. However, we have demonstrated that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da gave it for a different reason, thus nullifying their thesis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In order to justify the continued practice of giving females the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em>, SAC has falsified the history of the first \u201csecond initiation\u201d in the USA. Govinda D\u0101s\u012b altered her account of why she did not attend the first brahminical initiation in the West. Initially, she attributed her absence to being upset about being excluded\u2014a sentiment that Satsvar\u016bpa D\u0101sa Goswami described as a \u201cfeminist protest.\u201d Much later (in 2020s), she offered a different explanation, shifting blame onto the misbehavior of male devotees. Similarly, Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b D\u0101s\u012b revised her historical account in a way that also pointed fingers at the men. This revisionism undermines SAC\u2019s credibility, exposing its reliance on manipulated narratives to support its position.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The evidence strongly suggests that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da felt obliged to give the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> mantra to his rebellious female disciples as a means of alleviating their dissatisfaction during a critical period in ISKCON\u2019s history. This context reveals the decision as a response to circumstantial pressures rather than a principle-driven doctrinal change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Moreover, SAC employs a hypocritical double standard regarding the concept of \u201cpressuring\u201d \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da. When feminists are accurately depicted as pressuring him, SAC denounces such assertions as offensive and \u201chighly presumptuous.\u201d Yet, SAC sees no issue in accusing men of pressuring \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da when it serves their purpose.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Govinda D\u0101s\u012b\u2019s shifting accounts further undermine the integrity of SAC\u2019s argument. Her pattern of altering narratives to suit her preferred positions calls her reliability into question.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Numerous historical examples highlight problematic and rebellious behavior among some of ISKCON\u2019s female disciples. Additionally, as documented in the <a href=\"#appendix\">Appendix<\/a>, feminists both within and outside ISKCON frequently use deception as a core tactic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s decision to give females the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> mantra represents an unprecedented <em>dharma-sa\u1e45ka\u1e6da<\/em> (moral dilemma) in the history of <em>Gau\u1e0d\u012bya Vai\u1e63\u1e47avism<\/em>. Confronted with unique challenges in the Western preaching mission, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da acknowledged, \u201cIn the Western countries, I had to sometimes do something which I should not have done. But I\u2019ve done it to bring so many souls to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>While \u015ar\u012bla Bhaktisiddh\u0101nta Sarasvat\u012b \u1e6ch\u0101kura introduced significant innovations in spiritual practice, these were always underpinned by extensive philosophical reasoning rooted in guru, <em>s\u0101dhu<\/em>, and <em>\u015b\u0101stra<\/em>. By contrast, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da did not offer a philosophical justification based on guru, <em>s\u0101dhu<\/em>, and <em>\u015b\u0101stra<\/em> for giving the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> mantra to women as he did for granting <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> status to men of \u201clower birth.\u201d His concession was a practical response to an immediate moral dilemma, not a foundational doctrinal shift.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s initial reluctance to grant women the mantra underscores that it was neither a principle essential for their spiritual advancement nor inherently beneficial. If it had been a vital spiritual principle, he would have given it to women without hesitation, as he did with men. Instead, his eventual decision was based on the understanding that there was \u201cno harm\u201d in granting it\u2014a far cry from advocating it as necessary. This distinction is critical and further weakens the case for continuing the practice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Importantly, women in ISKCON lose nothing by not receiving the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> mantra. It is not a prerequisite for performing <em>p\u0101\u00f1car\u0101trika<\/em> Deity worship or for studying <em>bhakti-\u015b\u0101stras<\/em>, both of which they already engage in. And as <em>Agni Purana<\/em> (293.20-21) informs us above women gain nothing from chanting this mantra. <strong>So they do not lose anything by not chanting it, and they gain nothing by chanting it.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Furthermore, this practice should be discontinued as it harms our reputation in our primary preaching field\u2014India. Ample evidence shows that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da viewed India as his most important preaching ground\u2014the place where he sent his men and resources and established temples. To advance our preaching efforts in India and expand K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness, this practice must cease.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For these reasons, we suggest discontinuing the practice of giving females the <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> mantra. Such a change would align ISKCON with <em>\u015b\u0101stra,<\/em> the traditional dharma and orthopraxy of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a\u2019s Vedic civilization, the standards of our <em>samprad\u0101ya<\/em> <em>\u0101c\u0101ryas,<\/em> and \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da\u2019s original intention not to grant it to women.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"future-of-sac\">Future of SAC<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>After SAC\u2019s record of intellectual malfeasance, a question arises: What should be done with SAC? Several possible scenarios are:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><p>SAC is disbanded and not replaced.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>SAC is completely overhauled and staffed with new, intellectually honest <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47as<\/em> (excluding females).<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>The head of SAC resigns, but the remaining members stay.<\/p><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><p>The GBC adopts a laissez-faire approach, leaving the situation unchanged\u2014business as usual.<\/p><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>It is evident that ISKCON India has no confidence in SAC, having established their own \u201cISKCON India Scholars Board\u201d in opposition to SAC. Additionally, independent scholars hold SAC in open disdain. The GBC\u2019s response\u2014if any\u2014will be telling, especially if they opt for the last scenario. In any case no intelligent person could place trust in ISKCON\u2019s SAC.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"appendix\">Appendix<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"deception-is-a-feminist-tactic\">Deception is a Feminist Tactic<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>This current deception by SAC is not an isolated incident but rather a pattern of behavior within ISKCON\u2019s feminist faction and feminists in general (see below). <strong>If the feminists had a strong case they would not have to resort to all manner of chicanery, subterfuge, deceit, and prevarication.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"urmila-and-the-3rd-ellipsis\">Urmila and the 3rd Ellipsis<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>Urmil\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b, SAC\u2019s chairwoman, has a history of intellectual dishonesty. This is evidenced by the article \u201c<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/urmiladasi.wordpress.com\/2015\/09\/26\/urmila-and-the-3rd-ellipsis\/\">Urmila and the 3rd Ellipsis<\/a>,\u201d which reveals that she deliberately misquoted \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da to dupe her audience. She exploited her position as a Prabhup\u0101da disciple to manipulate junior devotees who had placed their faith in her. Her actions aimed to advance a feminist agenda. She used the same tactic in this SAC paper.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"sac-member-ghostwrites-a-discredited-feminist-tract\">SAC Member Ghostwrites a Discredited Feminist Tract<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>In 2013 Bhaktarupa D\u0101sa and Madhav\u0101nanda D\u0101sa floated a paper titled, \u201cSome Evidence Regarding Education and Guruship for Vaishnavis.\u201d Crucially it was later learned that this paper was ghost written by <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Hari_Parshada_GhostWriter.pdf\">Hari P\u0101r\u1e63ada D\u0101sa<\/a>, currently a core member of SAC. This paper was later dissected in the following essay: <em><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Analysis-of-Education-and-Guruship-Vaisnavis.pdf\">An analysis of the paper \u201cSome Evidence Regarding Education and Guruship for Vaishnavis\u201d<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this document Goloka-ranjana Dasa detected what he considered to be manipulative tactics or \u201ccheating\u201d by the authors he critiqued. He accuses the authors of selectively using obscure sources and interpretations to justify their argument, which he sees as contradictory to traditional <em>Gau\u1e0d\u012bya-Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava<\/em> teachings. He claims the authors manipulated scripture to support their views, misleading readers and undermining established doctrines on the role of women in Vedic culture.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here are few historical examples from within ISKCON where feminists engage in the tactic of \u201creputation demolition\u201d where they will use any opportunity to ruin the reputation of male devotees in ISKCON who oppose them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"conspiracy-to-terminate-the-iskcon-womens-ministry\">Conspiracy To Terminate The ISKCON Women\u2019s Ministry<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>In November 1998, the article \u201cConspiracy to Terminate the ISKCON Women\u2019s Ministry\u201d by \u201cArdhabuddhi D\u0101sa\u201d sent shockwaves through ISKCON, alleging a conspiracy by senior male devotees to terminate the Women\u2019s Ministry. (Which has since been strategically renamed the \u201cVai\u1e63\u1e47av\u012b Ministry.\u201d) The article outraged many innocent devotees, inciting hostility and a desire for retribution against the supposed culprits. However, it was later revealed that the article itself was part of <strong>an elaborate plot orchestrated by the Women\u2019s Ministry<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The incident unfolded when members of the Women\u2019s Ministry discovered that a group of senior devotees, known as \u201cGHQ,\u201d was meeting online to discuss ways to address the rise of feminism in ISKCON and to present a philosophical paper to the GBC. Through their connections, the Women\u2019s Ministry managed to hack into the forum and acquire all the texts. They then commissioned x-Madhus\u016bdan\u012b R\u0101dh\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b (aka \u201cArdhabuddhi D\u0101sa\u201d) to write an inflammatory essay, taking texts out of context and portraying the GHQ members in the worst possible light to damage their reputations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In response, GHQ authored a comprehensive rebuttal titled \u201cNotes From a Think Tank,\u201d which thoroughly dismantled the claims made in \u201cArdhabuddhi D\u0101sa\u2019s\u201d article. Anyone who reads \u201cNotes From a Think Tank\u201d can see the truth behind the situation. After its publication, \u201cConspiracy to Terminate the ISKCON Women\u2019s Ministry\u201d faded into obscurity until the Vai\u1e63\u1e47av\u012b Ministry revived it by republishing it on their website. Coincidentally, x-Madhus\u016bdhan\u012b R\u0101dh\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b has since become an atheist, hence the \u201cx.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For a granular analysis debunking this plot by the \u201cWomen\u2019s Ministry\u201d and the continued gaslighting by ISKCON feminists, see <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/ghqredux.wordpress.com\/2017\/10\/29\/ghq-redux-2017\/\">GHQ Reloaded<\/a> (also includes \u201cNotes From a Think Tank\u201d).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"incident-in-v\u00e5nd\u00e4vana\">Incident in V\u00e5nd\u00e4vana<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p>In November 1999, a controversy erupted at the ISKCON K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a-Balar\u0101ma temple in V\u1e5bnd\u0101vana, instigated by the feminist faction led by P\u0101rvat\u012b D\u0101s\u012b and supported by Sudharm\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b (the Woman\u2019s Minister). They launched an email campaign falsely claiming that women were assaulted during a religious ceremony, using these claims to push for their agenda that women should hold positions like Temple Presidents, GBCs, and <em>D\u012bk\u1e63\u0101<\/em>-gurus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The dispute arose during the Kartik festival over <em>dar\u015ban<\/em> arrangements during <em>ma\u1e45gala \u0101rotik<\/em>. The previous year, a compromise allowed men and <em>sanny\u0101s\u012bs<\/em> to offer obeisances first, followed by women. However, P\u0101rvat\u012b D\u0101s\u012b and a small group of women disrupted this arrangement, pushing to the front of the altar, a space traditionally reserved for men and <em>sanny\u0101s\u012bs<\/em>. P\u0101rvat\u012b began verbally abusing the temple president, Mah\u0101man Prabhu, and physically blocked <em>sanny\u0101s\u012bs<\/em> from offering obeisances.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>As tensions escalated, reports emerged that P\u0101rvat\u012b and other women engaged in provocative actions, including physically assaulting men and trying to capture reactions on video to support their accusations of being mistreated.<\/strong> Although a compromise was eventually reached, P\u0101rvat\u012b continued to defy the management, disrupting the peaceful atmosphere of the festival.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For D\u012bna Bandhu Prabhu\u2019s <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/sastra-caksuh-parisat.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/This-is-what-happened-in-Vrindavan-Deena-Bandhu-dasa.pdf\">detailed report<\/a> click on the link.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Coincidentally, shortly after this event P\u0101rvat\u012b D\u0101s\u012b suffered a life-threatening stroke and was in a coma for an extended period.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"further-reading\">Further Reading<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>Articles\/Videos Showing How Feminists Cheat<\/strong><br>(In no particular order)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7lqiyArR6oQ\"><strong>Lopamudr\u0101 and Agastya <em>Rgveda<\/em> 1.179<\/strong><\/a> by Acharya Veeranarayana Pandurangi<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this lecture Acharya Veeranarayana Pandurangi (from M\u0101dhva <em>samprad\u0101ya<\/em>) addresses misinterpretations of Vedic texts by Western Feminist scholars. It critiques the portrayal of Lopamudr\u0101, wife of the sage Agastya, as a feminist icon, arguing instead for a traditional view of her role in spiritual practices. The speaker emphasizes the importance of interpreting ancient texts through an authentic Vedic perspective, rejecting modern biases, and stresses the value of these texts for understanding Vedic culture, tradition, and spiritual goals like <em>mok\u1e63a<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.fighting4fair.com\/uncategorized\/fudging-the-figures-to-support-the-feminist-narrative-domestic-violence\/\"><strong>Fudging the Figures to Support the Feminist Narrative.<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This article critiques how statistics are manipulated to support the feminist depiction of domestic violence. The author argues that feminist-aligned researchers often omit data on male victims, skewing the perception of domestic violence as a gendered issue. This practice leads to biased research, flawed policy-making, and the perpetuation of gender stereotypes. The article calls for a more balanced and transparent approach to studying and addressing domestic violence, ensuring that all victims are represented. It is a wonderful resource with many useful links to other articles in a similar vein.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=1KVCUubgYI0\">The Monstrous Lies of Simone De Beauvoir<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dr. Janice Fiamengo\u2019s analysis of Simone de Beauvoir\u2019s <em>The Second Sex<\/em> presents a scathing critique of the philosophical and ideological flaws of the feminist classic. Fiamengo argues that despite its influence on feminist thought, the work is riddled with inaccuracies, selective readings, and misrepresentations, all of which have contributed to what she views as a harmful legacy for feminism.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.studiobrule.com\/2022\/02\/the-victimhood-craze-in-early-feminism.html\"><strong>The Victimhood Craze in Early Feminism: The Case of Elizabeth Cady Stanton<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Feminist icon Elizabeth Cady Stanton\u2019s life exemplifies that feminism is a <em>victim mentality disorder<\/em>, in other words that it embodies and exacerbates a delusion of unique persecution that results in a radically lessened empathy for others. It is testimony to the sickness of the modern feminist movement that feminist historians have never objected to the vengeful anti-male fervor and self-pitying obsessions at the heart of Stanton\u2019s advocacy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=CiZ1DSoav88\"><strong>Feminism\u2019s False Origin Story: The Struggle For the Vote<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dr. Janice Fiamengo argues that the feminist commentary surrounding women\u2019s suffrage is misleading. It contends that the struggle for the vote was less about overcoming widespread misogyny and more about the gradual expansion of democratic rights, which also affected many men who were initially voteless. The article critiques the idea that feminism was solely responsible for women\u2019s suffrage, suggesting that it distorts historical facts to emphasize a victimhood mythology.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=v70RdRlhVK0\">Feminism&#8217;s Biggest Blindspot Revealed<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dr. Christina Hoff Sommers discusses her evolution from a philosophy professor to a writer at the American Enterprise Institute, focusing on feminism and gender politics. She recounts her initial enthusiasm for feminist theory, which later turned to disillusionment upon encountering radical feminist texts. These texts presented an exaggerated and distorted view of gender oppression, lacking reliable data and leading to harmful conclusions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd\">Factual Feminist<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A series of short videos exposing a cavalcade of feminist lies, myths, and distortions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=87klmHw_DkY&amp;list=PLGFFi6pRCnCcL5RUhTkIClr-g43wCDf1P\">The Fiamengo file<\/a><\/strong> <br>A series of videos by Dr. Janice Fiamengo exposing feminist intellectual dishonesty.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/bible.org\/article\/ten-lies-feminism\"><strong>Ten Lies of Feminism<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>At its inception, the feminist movement, accompanied by the sexual revolution, made a series of enticing, exciting promises to women. These promises sounded good, so good that many women deserted their men and their children or rejected the entire notion of marriage and family, in pursuit of \u201cthemselves\u201d and a career. These pursuits, which emphasized self-sufficiency and individualism, were supposed to enhance a woman\u2019s quality of life and improve her options, as well as her relations with men. Now women have had to face the fact that, in many ways, feminism and liberation made promises that could not be delivered.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/opinion\/o-faolain-exposes-the-dishonesty-of-feminism-1.1121705\"><strong>O\u2019Faolain exposes the dishonesty of feminism<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>John Waters critiques Nuala O\u2019Faolain\u2019s feminist stance, arguing that her work inadvertently reveals feminism\u2019s intellectual dishonesty. He contends that feminists have positioned themselves as the sole voice for all women, creating a culture where criticizing feminism is equated with attacking women as a whole. Waters argues that what truly \u201coffends\u201d feminists about his and Kevin Myers\u2019 writings isn\u2019t their tone but the fact that their arguments against feminist dogma are unanswerable, exposing the movement\u2019s inability to handle legitimate criticism.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/reason.com\/2015\/04\/13\/the-uva-fiasco-and-believe-the-survivor\/\"><strong>Cathy Young: The UVA Fiasco and \u2018Believe the Survivor\u2019 Syndrome<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Young analyzes the false rape accusations at the University of Virginia and how feminists used them to push a narrative.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\" id=\"bibliography\">Bibliography<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>Back To Godhead. \u201cFollowing Srila Prabhupada.\u201d (2007): Accessed Dec 5, 2024. https:\/\/www.backtogodhead.in\/following-srila-prabhupada\/.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Baladeva. <em>The Ved\u0101ntas\u016btras of B\u0101dar\u0101ya\u1e47a: with the commentary of Baladeva (Govinda Bh\u0101\u1e63ya)<\/em>. Translated by Srisa Chandra Vasu. New Delhi: Munshiram Manoharlal Publishers, 1979.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Swami, Bhakti Vikasa. <em>Mothers &amp; Masters<\/em>. Surat: Bhakti Vikasa Trust, 2016.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thakura, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. <em>Brahmana and Vaisnava<\/em>. Translated by Bhumipati Dasa. New Delhi: Vrajraj Press, 1999.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Enago Academy. \u201cData Massaging in Scientific Research: When Does it Go Too Far?\u201d (2018): Accessed Dec 12, 2024. <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.enago.com\/academy\/data-massaging-in-scientific-research\/\">https:\/\/www.enago.com\/academy\/data-massaging-in-scientific-research\/.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Orwell, George. <em>1984<\/em>. New York: The New American Library, 1963.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Goswami, Satsvarupa Dasa. <em>Srila Prabhupada-lilamrta, volume 2: A Biography of His Divine Grace, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada<\/em>. Los Angeles: The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Blagden, Isa. <em>The Crown of a Life (Vol 3)<\/em>. London: Hurst &amp; Blackett, 1869.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Janice Fiamengo. \u201cWhen Feminists Control the Past &#8211; TFF Episode 53.\u201d (2016): Accessed Dec 12, 2024. <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Nt00Y1GW7EQ\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Nt00Y1GW7EQ.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jayadvaita Swami. \u201cBook Changes: History Backs the BBT.\u201d (2010): Accessed November 23, 2024. <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.jswami.info\/gita_editing_history\/\">https:\/\/www.jswami.info\/gita_editing_history\/<\/a>#<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/jswami.info\/editing\/hayagriva\">https:\/\/jswami.info\/editing\/hayagriva.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jayadvaita Swami. \u201cBook Changes: History Really Does Back the BBT.\u201d (2010): Accessed November 23, 2024. <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.jswami.info\/book_changes_history_really_does_back_bbt\/\">https:\/\/www.jswami.info\/book_changes_history_really_does_back_bbt\/.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Goswami, Satsvar\u016bpa d\u0101sa. \u201cIX: The Boston Br\u0101hma\u1e47as,\u201d In <em>Living With the Scriptures<\/em>, Philadelphia: G\u012bt\u0101-nagar\u012b Press, 1984.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Shyamasundara Dasa. \u201cBrahmananda Prabhu \u201cThe Mountain of Our Mission\u201d.\u201d (2015): Accessed Dec 11, 2024. <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/shyamasundaradasa.com\/jyotish\/resources\/articles\/informal_articles\/brahmananda.html\">https:\/\/shyamasundaradasa.com\/jyotish\/resources\/articles\/informal_articles\/brahmananda.html.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Shyamasundara Dasa. \u201cFrom the Astrologer\u2019s Diary: The Night Dacoits Stole Srimati Radharani.\u201d (2019): Accessed Dec 11, 2024. <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/shyamasundaradasa.com\/jyotish\/resources\/articles\/formal_articles\/cora_prasna.html\">https:\/\/shyamasundaradasa.com\/jyotish\/resources\/articles\/formal_articles\/cora_prasna.html.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Siddh\u0101nta D\u0101s\u0101. \u201cSiddhanta\u2019s Story.\u201d Accessed Dec 5, 2024. <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/prabhupadamemories.com\/siddhanta.html\">https:\/\/prabhupadamemories.com\/siddhanta.html.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Srutakirti, Dasa. <em>What Is the Difficulty<\/em>. Radlett,UK: Dharma Publications, 2006.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>V.K.Subramanian. <em>Maxims of Chanakya. The Crystallised Wisdom of the Indian Machiavelli<\/em>. New Delhi: Shakti Malik,Abhinav Publications, 1980.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">End Notes<\/h4>\n\n\n<section id=\"footnotes\" class=\"footnotes footnotes-end-of-document\" role=\"doc-endnotes\">\n<ol>\n<li id=\"514219-fn1\">Enago Academy, \u201cData Massaging in Scientific Research: When Does it Go Too Far?\u201d (2018): accessed Dec 12, 2024, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.enago.com\/academy\/data-massaging-in-scientific-research\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.enago.com\/academy\/data-massaging-in-scientific-research\/<\/a> .<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref1\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn2\">George Orwell, <em>1984<\/em> (New York: The New American Library, 1963), 204. See also <a href=\"http:\/\/george-orwell.org\/1984\/18.html\">http:\/\/george-orwell.org\/1984\/18.html<\/a><a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref2\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn3\">See, Janice Fiamengo, \u201cWhen Feminists Control the Past &#8211; TFF Episode 53.\u201d (2016): accessed Dec 12, 2024, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Nt00Y1GW7EQ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Nt00Y1GW7EQ<\/a> .<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref3\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn4\">That they were upset indicates that they still had a strong influence of feminism in them although they accepted the practices of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a Consciousness. After all, \u201cOne cannot suddenly change a community\u2019s social customs.\u201d A girl from K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a\u2019s Vedic culture would not have acted this way.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref4\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn5\">This surely falls under <em>Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava-apar\u0101dha<\/em>, and SAC is complicit for propagating it.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref5\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn6\">Shyamasundara Dasa, \u201cBrahmananda Prabhu \u201cThe Mountain of Our Mission\u201d.\u201d (2015): accessed Dec 11, 2024, <a href=\"https:\/\/shyamasundaradasa.com\/jyotish\/resources\/articles\/informal_articles\/brahmananda.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/shyamasundaradasa.com\/jyotish\/resources\/articles\/informal_articles\/brahmananda.html<\/a>.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref6\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn7\">Room Conversation\u2014January 6, 1977, Bombay<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref7\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn8\">Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami, <em>Srila Prabhupada-Lilamrta, Volume 2: A Biography of His Divine Grace, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada<\/em> (Los Angeles: The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, Chapter 58. (This is an ebook without page numbers.)<br \/>See also <a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/spl\/2\/58\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><u>https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/spl\/2\/58<\/u><\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/prabhupada-lilamrta-compl\/page\/1302\/mode\/1up\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><u>https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/prabhupada-lilamrta-compl\/page\/1302\/mode\/1up<\/u><\/a><a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref8\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn9\">Satsvar\u016bpa d\u0101sa Goswami, \u201cIX: The Boston Br\u0101hma\u1e47as,\u201d in <em>Living With the Scriptures<\/em> (Philadelphia: G\u012bt\u0101-nagar\u012b Press, 1984).<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref9\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn10\">\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da simultaneously gave and did not give them <em>brahminical<\/em> initiation. This can be likened to the predicament Ambar\u012b\u1e63a Mah\u0101r\u0101ja faced when Durv\u0101s\u0101 Muni appeared at the time he had to break his Ek\u0101da\u015b\u012b fast. He was in a quandary as to how to break his fast and at the same time not eat before his guest had eaten. He was advised by the learned <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47as<\/em> to drink some water to observe the formality of breaking the fast but at the same time it is not considered eating. Thus simultaneously breaking and not breaking his Ek\u0101da\u015b\u012b fast. For details see <a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/sb\/9\/4\/38\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>\u015ar\u012bmad-Bh\u0101gavatam<\/em> 9.4.38-40<\/a><a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref10\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn11\">Personal communication.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref11\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn12\">Isa Blagden, <em>The Crown of a Life (Vol 3)<\/em> (London: Hurst &amp; Blackett, 1869), 155.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref12\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn13\">Back To Godhead, \u201cFollowing Srila Prabhupada.\u201d (2007): accessed Dec 5, 2024, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.backtogodhead.in\/following-srila-prabhupada\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.backtogodhead.in\/following-srila-prabhupada\/<\/a> .<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref13\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn14\">Siddh\u0101nta D\u0101s\u0101, \u201cSiddhanta\u2019s Story.\u201d accessed Dec 5, 2024, <a href=\"https:\/\/prabhupadamemories.com\/siddhanta.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/prabhupadamemories.com\/siddhanta.html<\/a> .<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref14\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn15\">Personal correspondence.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref15\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn16\">Jayadvaita Swami, \u201cBook Changes: History Backs the BBT.\u201d (2010): accessed November 23, 2024, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jswami.info\/gita_editing_history\/%23https:\/jswami.info\/editing\/hayagriva\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.jswami.info\/gita_editing_history\/#https:\/\/jswami.info\/editing\/hayagriva<\/a> .<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref16\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn17\">Ibid<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref17\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn18\">Jayadvaita Swami, \u201cBook Changes: History Really Does Back the BBT.\u201d (2010): accessed November 23, 2024, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jswami.info\/book_changes_history_really_does_back_bbt\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.jswami.info\/book_changes_history_really_does_back_bbt\/<\/a> .<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref18\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn19\">Dasa Srutakirti, <em>What is the Difficulty<\/em> (Radlett,UK: Dharma Publications, 2006), 177-78.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref19\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn20\">Shyamasundara Dasa, \u201cFrom the Astrologer\u2019s Diary: The Night Dacoits Stole Srimati Radharani.\u201d (2019): accessed Dec 11, 2024, <a href=\"https:\/\/shyamasundaradasa.com\/jyotish\/resources\/articles\/formal_articles\/cora_prasna.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/shyamasundaradasa.com\/jyotish\/resources\/articles\/formal_articles\/cora_prasna.html<\/a> .<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref20\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn21\">Bhakti Vikasa Swami, <em>Mothers &amp; Masters<\/em> (Surat: Bhakti Vikasa Trust, 2016), 80-83.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref21\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn22\">See for example: Room Conversation Var\u1e47\u0101\u015brama System Must Be Introduced \u2014February 14, 1977, M\u0101y\u0101pura<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref22\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn23\">According to the GBC resolution 453.03 #3 of 2023, <em>var\u1e47as<\/em> are no longer required.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref23\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn24\">\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da letter to: Gaurasundara \u2014 Los Angeles 17 December, 1968<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref24\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn25\">\u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da letter to: M\u0101dhav\u012b Lat\u0101 D\u0101s\u012b \u2014 Los Angeles 28 December, 1968<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref25\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn26\">It is not unreasonable to assume that Srila Prabhupada refers to girls in ISKCON because he wanted his disciples to marry devotees not non-devotees.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref26\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn27\">This reinforces the point above where \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da claimed that some women were dressing in an attractive way to entice men for marriage and leading to the fall of some <em>sanny\u0101s\u012bs<\/em>.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref27\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn28\"><em>\u015ar\u012bmad-Bh\u0101gavatam<\/em> 10.1.34-55<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref28\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn29\">But once the <em>\u0101pat-k\u0101la<\/em> (emergency) is over one must revert to proper standards.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref29\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn30\"><em>N\u012bti-\u015b\u0101stra<\/em> refers to the ancient Vedic texts of political science, ethics, welfare and conduct, royal responsibilities, principles or rules governing appropriate behavior and decision-making, often in the context of righteousness and justice. It is closely related with <em>artha-\u015b\u0101stra<\/em> (economics, statecraft, and military strategy) and <em>dharma-\u015b\u0101stra<\/em> (religious law).<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref30\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn31\">V.K.Subramanian, <em>Maxims of Chanakya. The Crystallised Wisdom of the Indian Machiavelli<\/em> (New Delhi: Shakti Malik,Abhinav Publications, 1980), 117.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref31\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn32\">See for example, <em>N\u1e5bsi\u1e41ha P\u016brva T\u0101pinya Upani\u1e63ad<\/em> 1.7<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref32\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn33\"><em>Pari\u1e63ad<\/em> here is a committee of specialists in different subjects convened to decide difficult questions of dharma. See <em>Manu<\/em> 12.110-111.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref33\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn34\">If the objection is raised that, \u201cWe don\u2019t follow <em>Pa\u00f1ca-tantra<\/em>, it is not bona fide.\u201d Our response is that <em>Pa\u00f1ca-tantra<\/em> is a highly respected <em>N\u012bti-\u015b\u0101stra<\/em> (see previous note) well known to followers of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a\u2019s Vedic culture including \u015ar\u012bla R\u016bpa Gosv\u0101m\u012b whose <em>Upade\u015b\u0101m\u1e5bta<\/em> (4) is identical to <em>Pa\u00f1ca-tantra<\/em> 4.13.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref34\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn35\">See, for example \u2014 \u015ar\u012bla Bhaktisiddh\u0101nta Sarasvat\u012b \u1e6ch\u0101kura, <em>Br\u0101hma\u1e47a and Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava,<\/em> trans. Bh\u016bmipati D\u0101sa (New Delhi: Vrajraj Press, 1999).<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref35\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn36\">In giving <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> status to men of lower birth he was following in the philosophical footsteps of \u015ar\u012bla Bhaktisiddh\u0101nta Sarasvat\u012b \u1e6ch\u0101kura.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref36\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn37\">If the objection is raised that \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da did not change <em>brahma-g\u0101yatr\u012b<\/em> initiation standards so we also should not. By that logic, we should not change leadership standards. \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da did not make women gurus, GBCs or temple presidents.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref37\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn38\">Baladeva, <em>The Ved\u0101ntas\u016btras of B\u0101dar\u0101ya\u1e47a: With the Commentary of Baladeva (Govinda Bh\u0101\u1e63ya),<\/em> trans. Srisa Chandra Vasu (New Delhi: Munshiram Manoharlal Publishers, 1979), 641-44.<a class=\"footnote-back\" role=\"doc-backlink\" href=\"#514219-fnref38\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/li>\n<li id=\"514219-fn39\">According to <em>p\u0101\u00f1car\u0101tra \u0101gama<\/em> females and <em>\u015b\u016bdras<\/em> can worship the Deity at home. 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